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At the begining of the year all I heard was how much everything was going to change now that MA was taking over. No more market saturation, they were going to be combining and streamlining and blah blah blah ...

Here we sit in April, and can somebody tell me what the big change is?

Last year RCCA produced two versions of their 1:64 cars .. the Elite and the Club.
Action handled promotional type items in tins and things, and also made a 1:64 clamshell car.
WC made the cheap stuff in mass retail stores.


This year RCCA still produces the 1:64 Elite cars for drivers they deem worthy; looks like the same guys as last year.
They dropped the Club car (so far) just to have MA start producing the PIT STOP car, identical boxes to the old club cars.
Action no longer produces a clam shell, but MA does, with an open hood as well as the promo items.
And WC is doing exactly what it has always done ....

we went from an Elite, a box, a clam and WC, to an Elite, a box, a clam and WC .... :surrender: big changes indeed.
 

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well Blacker there has been one change for at least the w/c line.....................we didnt have to wait half way through the season to get the schedule hoods , lol. that and they are actually putting out the cars in a timely fashion
 

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true dat. although it is more of a swap than a change, wc cars are out quick now, but RCCA is slacking. The Nicorette and Pepsi cars just became available yesterday to order. Wont ship till late May.

RCCA used to be the first cars Id get in, then Action then WC ...
 

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I agree I used to collect the RCCA 1/64's, but now there is no such thing!!!!
The PIT STOP CAR is similar but no ADULT LOGO'S!!!! So in other words it is a WC car in a different box!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The WC line has decreased to more trinkets, LESS CARS!!!
On the other hand WC has become more available!!!
 

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I agree I used to collect the RCCA 1/64's, but now there is no such thing!!!!
The PIT STOP CAR is similar but no ADULT LOGO'S!!!! So in other words it is a WC car in a different box!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The WC line has decreased to more trinkets, LESS CARS!!!
On the other hand WC has become more available!!!
I would rather see an all Hood line from WC, WITH DIFFERENT CARS!!!
WC has always been above all of the other companies for one reason, THE DRIVER HOODS. WHY CAN'T THEY GET IT THROUGH THEY"RE THICK HEADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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What are they going to do with the new COT!!!!
How are they going to get rid of all of the backstock, MORE TINKETS!!!! PLEASE NO MORE TRINKETS, JUST DIFFERENT CARS!!!!
 

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RCCA is still doing 1:64s, Elites. I just ordered two new ones yesterday. Word is they are only doing Elites, only some drivers, and then only some schemes for them ... whatever that means.

I never really cared for the hoods, the car already has a hood, so what is the purpose of a bigger hood in the package as well? I dunno. Just another trinket as far as I am concerned.
 

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I have to disagree with the general consensus here. 2007 is shaping up to be a GREAT Diecast year.

It's only April 4th and already more cars have been issued then at this point last year.

What's even more important though, is WHAT has been issued and what is still in the pipeline.

2007 is going to be on a mid-90s level of car production, with nearly every Cup car and many Busch cars being made too.

Many of the cars that were either completly skipped last year or only done as super-hard to find Promos have already been issued this year.

Case in point: #96 Tony Raines, #45 Kyle Petty, only available as rare promos. Heck I don't even have the Petty promo.

#42 Texaco Montoya...The Texaco car was skipped in 06, and while there is a more marketable driver in there this year, it's still another car. I personally like Casey Mears better, though!

Take JJ Yeley. He was totally skipped in Diecast last year, and that was the first car I got this year. Granted, it's last year's paint scheme, but the decisision was made within a week of the car being released to change to the lightning scheme.

And this is just the first week of April. With MA wanting to have something new on the shelves continuiosly, as any good buisness should, I am really excited about what 07 could bring. I'm hoping/thinking it's just a matter of time before the 66, 78, 49, 13, etc get announced...

AND, to make it even better....The BEST cars are available more widely and at a lower price. The Driver's Select car using the former Club Car construction.

Not to mention that they tooled up two new bodys for what is going to likely be a one year only use. (The New Charger and Camry).

RCCA has pretty much abandoned us but that's ok, because the Driver's Select is taking up the slack.

Winner's Circle is as usual crap, I am only going to get one car from them this year, the scedule car, if I ever see it. Because it's the only way to get it. Pitstops are just Winner's Circle cars with a diffrent chassis color, eh, I'm only going to get the ones that aren't done in Driver's Select, which it looks like is mostly Busch cars.

No, 2007 is shaping up to be a great year....The only way it could get better, is if they A) Make the rest of the cars that have not been solicited yet and B) Work on making more historical cars
 

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Cant argue with that Billy.

I am looking at it from a different perspective though. I only collect 1:64 Gordon cars, so the number of other drivers produced does not weigh on my mind either way.

I was simply referring to the collection of Gordon releases; probably should have been more specific. I do have a different collectability scope than most, that does skew my view at times.

As far as the main stream drivers, Gordon, JR, Johnson etc, the topic of concern in years past has been market saturation and how it was ruining collecting. I just do not see a change in that aspect of it, especially since such a big deal of it was made as one reason for all the recent changes.
 

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Oh yeah, I knew that but had forgotten...hey, it's hard enough to keep track of what I collect, LOL.

I hope you don't think I'm jumping at you, but man, I gotta rant a little...

BLACKER said:
As far as the main stream drivers, Gordon, JR, Johnson etc, the topic of concern in years past has been market saturation and how it was ruining collecting. I just do not see a change in that aspect of it, especially since such a big deal of it was made as one reason for all the recent changes.
I have never seen WHY anybody could say that market saturation is "ruining the hobby". Um, no, having cars be available for everyone who wants them can only be a good thing. The same goes for people who whine that too many of something are produced. There should be as many produced as can be sold! Are you collecting because you enjoy the hobby or because you have some hair-brained scheme that you are going to "get rich quick" a few months or years down the road.

Action/MA is always spouting this crap. How they want to keep the values of their cars up. Why? It's not like you are bringing out old stock and selling it when it's hot in the market! That's a load of BS and just a way to screw true collectors out of cars they want! The theory being that by not making enough, it keeps the "value" high, but short changes collectors. This works in all scales that way. Take Spool and his 24th shiny cars. For a car that could just as easily be made thousands of, they make 25 and true collectors who want one for the love of the car don't get one, but the price-jackers on ebay get loads of them and screw over collectors moreso! It's even worse for us 1/64 collectors. At least it has been until this year. At least with you 1/24 collectors the cars ARE out there, even if near impossible to find. MA's BS line means they don't, or didn't, produce the car AT ALL in 64th!

Face it guys, Action/Motorsports Authentics is making about a $60 dollar profit on 1/24 cars and about $9 profit on each and every 1/64 car. Every single car. That's taking into account an estimate of what the costs should be now, with the zinc price increase. In 1997/98 it cost Action roughly $3 to produce a 1/64 car and $12 to produce a 1/24.

Sorry to rant but this is a sore spot with me. I take this way more then a hobby, this is a lifestyle and it ticks me off when the big companys, Action, NASCAR/Motorsports Authentics try and screw with it.

Thankfully 07 is turning out to be a good year...It's almost like my previous ranting actually got through to somebody, LOL.

Blacker, sorry to post this off something you said, but it was due to come out soon and you just happened to post something that got me thinking about it.

And that was a condensed version!!

As for Jeff....He's only run, what, 3 schemes this year so far (Regular, Nicorette and Impala COT...The first two are out and the CoT is coming!
 

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That is cool, I understand. I know you are not that way, and plus, I appreciate other peoples opinion and like to hear differnt points of view on things.

There are two kinds of saturation in my mind.
1. The same car produced different ways by different companies.
MA Nicorrette, RCCA Nicorette, WC Nicorette, WC Nicorette w/ coin, WC Nicorette w/Hood, MA Nicorette Select etc etc etc

I like having a different selections, I like the PitStop cuz I can display those at work in a nice cabinet, I like the Selects because I can hang them on the wall at home ... so a few are nice, but once I buy the same car 5 or six times I begin to feel a bit taken advantage of, for instance with the hood and the coin and the pit pass and all that. I try not to complain too much because it is my choice to buy or not buy.

2. Is the mass production of a particular release. The new RCCA Elite, up from a production run of 400 last year to 2007 this year. I do not mind that too much because it almost assures everyone who wants one will get one.

The part I do not like about it, but I just deal with, is that I pay $20 for mine up front, but so many are made that they sit in inventory for a year and then they drop the price to $10 just to get rid of them. I do not have any dilusions of getting rich or anything, I collect because I like the cars all over the place, but I do not like feeling undercut after I shell out my money. Paying $20 for a $10 car just is not a smart move no matter how it happens.
They know about how many of these cars will sell, flooding the market with thousands and thousands extra does no one any good.
 

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Billy Kingsley said:
Take Spool and his 24th shiny cars. For a car that could just as easily be made thousands of, they make 25 and true collectors who want one for the love of the car don't get one, but the price-jackers on ebay get loads of them and screw over collectors moreso! It's even worse for us 1/64 collectors. At least it has been until this year. At least with you 1/24 collectors the cars ARE out there, even if near impossible to find. MA's BS line means they don't, or didn't, produce the car AT ALL in 64th!
HEY, I like my shiny little (or big) cars!!

I agree with the issue of them being under produced, and I have fought tooth and nail with those assholes about the same guys getting them over and over and making money off of them on EPAY!! Some guy had a couple of Kahne White Golds on there a few days ago (they may still be there) and claimed he had every Kahne White Gold Elite ever made. How would that be possible if the system was random as MA (then Action) claimed it was?

This issue still burns my ass. The few white gold cars I did manage to get my greedy little hands on are not for resale but for the joy of collecting. I don't understand why MA released a product that sold so well, produced what I am sure was a great profit per car, and sold such a low quantity. All it did was provide a great profit for a few greedy bastards and piss off the masses. What great marketing!! NOT!!!

Now see what you did Billy... you went and got me all spun up again.
 

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Sorry Karl....I guess Action doesn't understand that by selling more of them at the same profit they could make even MORE money....

Blacker, I now see exactly what you mean....I don't buy any package variations, they are all just Winner's Circle cars to me and if I buy one, it's probably because my mom brought it home :) The only variations I go for are actual car variations....
 
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