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Does Stock Car belong in the name NASCAR. There is very little left in today’s NASCAR’s that is even close to relating to Stock Cars.

I guess I am a dinosaur that still remembers the day when NASCARS were Stock Cars. The days you could go to your local dealer and buy a street legal version of the cars being run on the track. In 1969 there was the Dodge Daytona, to get Richard Petty back, and the Plymouth Superbird, both with a wing over the rear deck lid. In 1986 there was the Chevrolet Aero Coupe where the back glass extended from the roof almost all the way back to the trunk.

These body styles were introduced for one primary reason, to compete in NASCAR Racing. But before the cars could be raced there had to be a minimum of 500 available for sale to the everyday auto buyer. Naturally there was little in common between the NASCAR version and the Street legal version outside of the body style.

NASCAR could have scaled back the cars when the domestic auto makers went to smaller front wheel drive V6 models but they did not.

Of course the same has happened in NHRA with the Funny Car’s. At first they were stock bodied cars with monster engines. Color Me Gone, Hemi Under Glass, Little Red Wagon. Today they are short wheel base top fuel cars with a plastic aero dynamically designed body that all look alike.

The same for the Indy cars in the early days. There were all kinds of exotic body style’ and power trains including a jet powered car, 1967 Parnelli Jones’ Granatelli/Pratt & Whitney. In fact there were even some diesel powered entries. Today’s Indy car are nothing but oversized Honda Go Carts. And NASCAR will follow as they move toward a more international venue.

It was the ingenuity and creativeness in the early days of NASCAR and Indy that brought on many advancements used in cars today. But with the changes that have or are occurring today leaves little to be offered for the manufactures to use in today’s cars on the market.


So it is no wonder domestic auto manufactures are scaling back their participation in supporting NASCAR and the racing teams. Why should they? NASCAR has all but eliminated the Brand identity of the cars. I do not consider a decal on the front of a car a Brand Identity.

So the bottom line is there is no STOCK CAR in NASCAR.
 

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I couldn't agree more. Is anybody here familier w/CASCAR? The cars there look alot like the showroom versions. The Chargers especially. They even look like a 4 door. They could still go back, but soon there will be NO TURNING BACK.
 

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Boy if you love the past soooo much won't you build a time machine and go back to the good ol days. Listen pal, change happens everyday it goes from everything from racing cars to clothes. Take a look back 40 years and that is exactly the type of racing NASCAR was promoting - and it resulted in the deaths of numerous drivers along the way. The only way the drivers are safe (relative) enough to run at these speeds is for the car to be built with all of the additional safety items (e.g. roll cage) which are not stock. Further, cars at these weights have a tendancy to get airborne at speeds over 200 mph when they get a little sideways...so stock will not work.
 

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I agree w/you that there needs to be evolution in the cars for safety. But look at NHRA Pro-Stock cars. They still look like the cars. NASCAR could make the cars look more stock and still make them safe.
I believe the COT is a step in the right diraction, but it needs to go further as far as brand designation, and not so much in the direction of genericity.
 

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*TAP*, *TAP*, *TAP*

"Is this thing on?"

You know, I thought of something tomorrow while I was contemplating what happened last night, which hasn't even happened yet unless you're reading this after 10:00 PM. If you are reading this after 10:00 PM, turn off your damn computer and find something more constructional to do. Anyway, on to my pointless point that meanders around this joint with no destination in sight, just the view through the window as we try to look at this right.

When Bill France died, they wrote about how his single minded goal in building NASCAR was to put on the best show possible. Why has this been so overlooked? We rush to judgement on that little French Fairy, "Phantom de Bree", and rail on about conspiracies and just as many people come to the defense of NASCAR calling bullshit and what not. If you think about it though, France's obituary told us everything we need to hear. His only interest was putting on one hell of a show. Not making sure all cars are fairly and equally set up. Not having a rule book written in stone. He basically could change his mind from race to race depending on how he wanted the overall production to go. If there were ten laps to go and someone had a five second lead and second place had NO chance of catching up, don't you know that he was looking all over the track for something as small as a Juicy Fruit wrapper that fell out of Reed's uniform after those kids got done ripping it up? You know he wanted the field to tighten up. You know he wanted the most popular drivers, even if they were also the most hated drivers, to pull off something unbelievable. This ain't the NFL folks, and it ain't NHL. This is a production of cars racing the track and each other with the ruling body in the sky boxes doing what they can to make sure the best show possible plays out below.
 

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believe i think your right.

but.....the "best" shows nascar put on ended some 3 or 4 years ago. sunday was like watching turtles waddle around a track. which is why i watch very little, and mean little nascar, and more baseball and football than ever.

and somethings don't change for some people. i have one thing that hasn't changed for 45 years. i always have a transistor pocket size radio with me. ever since i was six years old, some 45 years ago, i keep one at least. for sports. i listened to football games when stuck at family dinners. took it to school in elementary school and ran the ear piece up my shirt into my ear, and kept my friends up on the world series. heard jim palmer throw a no hitter. and got stuck on a family outing when i was about 8, but had my radio, and heard stu miller and steve barber pitching for the baltimore orioles. they combined for a no hitter, and i believe it was barber who walked in the winnig runs in the bottom of the 9th inning. a no hitter and lost to the detroit tigers. 2 to1. and just last night, i listened to the mets on wfan in new york, over that static and lightning crackles, on the little transistor radio just like 45 years ago. some things don't change, and for the best.
 

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Believe said:
*TAP*, *TAP*, *TAP*

"Is this thing on?"

When Bill France died, they wrote about how his single minded goal in building NASCAR was to put on the best show possible. Why has this been so overlooked? We rush to judgement on that little French Fairy, "Phantom de Bree", and rail on about conspiracies and just as many people come to the defense of NASCAR calling bullshit and what not. If you think about it though, France's obituary told us everything we need to hear. His only interest was putting on one hell of a show. Not making sure all cars are fairly and equally set up. Not having a rule book written in stone. He basically could change his mind from race to race depending on how he wanted the overall production to go. If there were ten laps to go and someone had a five second lead and second place had NO chance of catching up, don't you know that he was looking all over the track for something as small as a Juicy Fruit wrapper that fell out of Reed's uniform after those kids got done ripping it up? You know he wanted the field to tighten up. You know he wanted the most popular drivers, even if they were also the most hated drivers, to pull off something unbelievable. This ain't the NFL folks, and it ain't NHL. This is a production of cars racing the track and each other with the ruling body in the sky boxes doing what they can to make sure the best show possible plays out below.
I have to agree with you on Bill Frances goal to “Put On The Best Show.” It’s unfortunate the newer generations are more concerned with power and dollars. Is there any aspect of NASCAR they do not control, either on or off the track?
 
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