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I just posted this on the RacingOne forums. He is exactly friggin right. I've been saying and thinking it for a long time. Us fans have to do something! Brian France does think he is God, and it's pathetic, he needs to go. Now. I have a new found respect for Stewart for what he said. Rock on, Tony.
 

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Somehow I knew that the first driver to step forward on this issue would be Stewart. He is not afraid to speak his mind and I'll give him that. Do I like seeing my boy JJ win races? Sure I do. But if his wins are being staged by debris cautions then I guess I will quit watching. I think it's pretty obvious they are bogus if Fox cameras can't even find the debris! Debris cautions are nothing more than a TV timeout in hockey. NASCAR really should experiment with the "Side by Side" that the IRL uses. That way they wouldn't have to throw phony cautions to get commercials in. They would still be able to show commercials but viewers could also watch the race. It's a win-win I would think.
 

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Somehow I knew that the first driver to step forward on this issue would be Stewart. He is not afraid to speak his mind and I'll give him that. Do I like seeing my boy JJ win races? Sure I do. But if his wins are being staged by debris cautions then I guess I will quit watching. I think it's pretty obvious they are bogus if Fox cameras can't even find the debris! Debris cautions are nothing more than a TV timeout in hockey. NASCAR really should experiment with the "Side by Side" that the IRL uses. That way they wouldn't have to throw phony cautions to get commercials in. They would still be able to show commercials but viewers could also watch the race. It's a win-win I would think.
Its already been discussed and the advertisers are not interested, the IRL gets away with this, because well they're the IRL.
 

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The IRL gets away w/it cause no one watches them. The old CART Series is even worse. They charge less for advertising on the IRL telecasts, so that they can do that side by side deal.
 

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JJ48Fan said:
Somehow I knew that the first driver to step forward on this issue would be Stewart. He is not afraid to speak his mind and I'll give him that. Do I like seeing my boy JJ win races? Sure I do. But if his wins are being staged by debris cautions then I guess I will quit watching. I think it's pretty obvious they are bogus if Fox cameras can't even find the debris! Debris cautions are nothing more than a TV timeout in hockey. NASCAR really should experiment with the "Side by Side" that the IRL uses. That way they wouldn't have to throw phony cautions to get commercials in. They would still be able to show commercials but viewers could also watch the race. It's a win-win I would think.
Its already been discussed and the advertisers are not interested, the IRL gets away with this, because well they're the IRL.
But are the advertisers going to be interested when ratings go down because people are getting fed up with the races being fixed? Think about it. Ratings for the races are continuing to decline due in large part to the bogus cautions which leads to excessive commericials and people's perception that the races are staged. With ratings going down, the companies spending the big money for advertising space are not getting their full monies worth. If doing the Side by Side would increase ratings then it would increase viewership of the commercials. And you'd be surprised how many people watch the IRL. Granted it's not as popular as NASCAR but it does fairly well. You ever seen the sponsors of the Side by Side on IRL? Firestone, Honda, Toyota, Chevy, Target, etc... Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't those big name companies that also have a stake in NASCAR with the exception of Firestone and Honda? Trust me if ratings continue to decline over the rest of the year, advertisers will start to realize that they are not getting their monies worth and if side by side will bring the viewers back, then they would be all for it. Trust me I'm a marketing major and I'm finishing up a Marketing Communications course and we talked all about this type of stuff.
 

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KK3869 said:
JJ48Fan said:
Somehow I knew that the first driver to step forward on this issue would be Stewart. He is not afraid to speak his mind and I'll give him that. Do I like seeing my boy JJ win races? Sure I do. But if his wins are being staged by debris cautions then I guess I will quit watching. I think it's pretty obvious they are bogus if Fox cameras can't even find the debris! Debris cautions are nothing more than a TV timeout in hockey. NASCAR really should experiment with the "Side by Side" that the IRL uses. That way they wouldn't have to throw phony cautions to get commercials in. They would still be able to show commercials but viewers could also watch the race. It's a win-win I would think.
Its already been discussed and the advertisers are not interested, the IRL gets away with this, because well they're the IRL.
But are the advertisers going to be interested when ratings go down because people are getting fed up with the races being fixed? Think about it. Ratings for the races are continuing to decline due in large part to the bogus cautions which leads to excessive commericials and people's perception that the races are staged. With ratings going down, the companies spending the big money for advertising space are not getting their full monies worth. If doing the Side by Side would increase ratings then it would increase viewership of the commercials. And you'd be surprised how many people watch the IRL. Granted it's not as popular as NASCAR but it does fairly well. You ever seen the sponsors of the Side by Side on IRL? Firestone, Honda, Toyota, Chevy, Target, etc... Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't those big name companies that also have a stake in NASCAR with the exception of Firestone and Honda? Trust me if ratings continue to decline over the rest of the year, advertisers will start to realize that they are not getting their monies worth and if side by side will bring the viewers back, then they would be all for it. Trust me I'm a marketing major and I'm finishing up a Marketing Communications course and we talked all about this type of stuff.
Yeah the whole rating is bieng a bit blow out of proportion. First the 500 has always tetered in ratings. And ussually FOX has always goten lower ratings then NBC when they showed it. Cali, Texas, Vegas and Phoenix either moved up or down a few decimals or stayed steady. Atlanta can't really be measured because the race last year was rained out but if you compare it with 05 its back up there with the other group.

The ratings have only droped significntly at Martinsville and Bristol, because everyone hates the CoT.

The IRL? Okay there is the Indy 500, it gets good ratings. But outside of that IRL ussually draws a rating of anywhere between 1.5 to 2.5. And if the IRL was so popluar why was it last summer that we didn't get to see the Michigan race until 12:30 Monday morning or late Monday afternoon? As sponsors I've only seen Firestone, Honda, XM and Ethanol, maybe a few random spots, but nothing from the big companies, I'm kind surprised Target hasn't done a spot.
 

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Exactly so if everyone hates the COT then ratings for every race will drop next year when the COT is implemented full time. Like I said earlier, the true effects won't be fully known until the COT is full time. If the ratings start to fall dramitically next year then the advertisers will begin to pull out and the the France family will have to sit down at the drawing board and figure out how to fix this mess.
 

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:doh: :Cry:

What a crybaby. He needs to shut his mouth and drive the car. If NASCAR throws a caution every 10 laps then that is what they do.

When did Stewart become an authority on anything other than anger management classes? Didn't he say he was retiring two weeks ago? This week nascar is cheating?

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All that being said, if he puts his suit on next week and drives a car then he is a hypocrite for participating in a sport he knows is rigged.
Oh yeah, but he is used to that, Mr ."We need to drive more carefully out there" before the race and "He started it and I finished it" after the race.

:Cry:

I love it, Stewart is now fighting Harvick for the biggest crybaby in nascar award! :))
 

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Exactly so if everyone hates the COT then ratings for every race will drop next year when the COT is implemented full time. Like I said earlier, the true effects won't be fully known until the COT is full time. If the ratings start to fall dramitically next year then the advertisers will begin to pull out and the the France family will have to sit down at the drawing board and figure out how to fix this mess.
And what is the COT's problem? The racing hasn't changed much, Saturday night sure proved that. People are complaing because it looks ugly. Please folks if you wanna see an ugly looking car google up DTM or Brazillan Supercar, now those are some funky looking cars. :D
 

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he said he talked of retiring out of frustration and at least he has a real complaint, not like crying over only getting a top 5 finish like another driver i know :rollhappy:
 

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I agree with Tony, NASCAR is pretty F*cked up, and someone finally had the balls to say it.
Now if only somebody at Dodge Motorsports would speak out and demand NASCAR stop favoring Chevy.
 

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he said he talked of retiring out of frustration and at least he has a real complaint, not like crying over only getting a top 5 finish like another driver i know :rollhappy:
You mean Denny Hamlin? Yeah, the nerve of that guy!! :what: :rofl:
 

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JoKeR_20 said:
he said he talked of retiring out of frustration and at least he has a real complaint, not like crying over only getting a top 5 finish like another driver i know :rollhappy:
You mean Denny Hamlin? Yeah, the nerve of that guy!! :what: :rofl:
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Geez, a shame a driver would be happy with a top five. Every driver wants to WIN! If you fall short of that, you've failed.

Hamlin is a VERY intense driver. After the July Loudon race (after he ran out of gas on the last lap and finished 6th, instead of 2nd or better), he got out of his car and yelled a big F-bomb lol. He just sat on the end of his trailer for a good 4-5 minutes just to cool down before he talked to the media.
 

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Perhaps one thing NASCAR could do is be more transparent to fans in its operations, starting with opening its rule book to the public. Assuming the rule book is more than whatever NASCAR feels like that week.
That's the best part of that article right there!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 
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