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To most fans, Jimmie Johnson will never be better than Dale Earnhardt

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Jimmie Johnson celebrates his victory with a burnout Sunday at Atlanta Motor Speedway. This was Johnson's 76th career win, and 5th in Atlanta. The victory ties Johnson with Dale Earnhardt, Jr. in NASCAR premier series wins.Photo by Andrew Coppley for Chevy Racing

Here are the facts:
-- Jimmie Johnson has tied Dale Earnhardt on the all-time wins list with his 76th race win. He will most certainly win many more and possibly approach triple digits in race wins before he retires.
-- Jimmie Johnson has six Cup titles, and one more will tie him with Earnhardt (and he's now in the Chase and could do it as soon as this year.)
-- It's possible Jimmie Johnson will not only tie Earnhardt and Petty's 7 titles, but blow past it and win 8 or more. He's just as strong a driver now as he was when he started fifteen years ago.

After the win Sunday at Atlanta Motor Speedway, Johnson honored Earnhardt on track and was humble about his accomplishment:
"I entered the sport just hoping I could win a race and keep a job for a few years, and to have 76 and tie Dale Earnhardt Sr is something I'm very, very proud of. I didn't have a chance to race against him, unfortunately, but today ‑‑ there's been a big void in my mind about not having that chance to race against him, and it was literally a handful of months away from having that opportunity. So to tie him today, for myself personally, it gives me a little something ‑‑ it's a little bit of attachment to the great Dale Earnhardt and something I'm very proud of," Johnson said.
Rick Hendrick -- whose drivers had many tough battles with Earnhardt over the years -- also shared his thoughts on the two drivers, comparing Jimmie and Dale's driving styles:
"You know, I think Dale was more aggressive. He got that ‑‑ he didn't get that Intimidator title by being nice to everybody. If he got to you, he'd move you, and that was ‑‑ and I think he intimidated a lot of people, and he was a heck of a race car driver. He could do things that I didn't see a lot of people do. The one thing about Jimmie Johnson, he doesn't put a fender on anybody. He does it clean, and he races ‑‑ he gives people ‑‑ they're fast or he lets them go, and he treats everybody with a lot of respect. They're two different style drivers, but both of them were awesome. Dale won seven championships, so that speaks for itself. But I think Jimmie does it in a very ‑‑ I'd say very professional way ‑‑ not professional maybe, that's not the right word. He's not as aggressive, and he will race you extremely clean. I'm not saying that Dale didn't do ‑‑ if he got to you and it was for the win, he was going to move you, and that's his job. I think that's the difference in the two."
Dale Earnhardt Jr., who finished second behind Jimmie on Sunday, gave his thoughts on the accomplishment.
"You know, I think dad would have liked Jimmie as a person, but he certainly wouldn't have enjoyed competing against him. I don't think any of us really ‑‑ I mean, I love when we race door to door, but when he goes out there and spanks you it's not a lot of fun. You know, knowing dad and knowing Jimmie's character, they would have gotten along tremendously and dad would have thought the world of him. He said he felt the same way about Jeff when Jeff came in. He had nothing but awesome things to say about Jeff when Jeff was a rookie and they ended up becoming great friends and working together in businesses away from the racetrack and doing things together, so they definitely trusted each other, but they're definitely tough competitors on the track. But Jimmie, how can you not like Jimmie? He's just a good guy that never stepped over the line with anything he's ever said or anything he's ever did, so I think it's awesome to praise him."
But how will history remember Jimmie Johnson once he's long left the sport?
We know how Earnhardt is remembered -- pretty much universally revered as the greatest of all time or a close second or third. Even those who rooted against him in the 1980s and 1990s would admit today that he is in the discussion for best ever.
Will the same be said about Johnson 10 or 20 years from now?
One on hand, the numbers don't lie -- he knows how to win; a lot. No one in their right mind would deny Jimmie is anything other than one of the best in the history of stock car racing, period.
But the reality is that many fans don't view Jimmie in the same category as Earnhardt, and there are several reaasons why.
1. He is less likeable
Even though his driving style made some enemies, almost everyone loved Dale off the track. He could charm the socks off of you. Jimmie, on the other hand, has the "vanilla" label applied to him, and he's viewed as a typical, boring sponsor-naming driver without personality -- fair or not, that is the perception.
This, of course, doesn't take away from his driving skills, but it will cause people to be less enthusiastic about him when comparing him to all-time greats like Earnhardt, Petty, Pearson, Darrell Waltrip and Bill Elliott.

2. His career is taking place in the Chase era
For purist fans, nobody who wins titles nowadays is as good as the folks who did it before the Chase was created. They just got lucky and won some convoluted playoff system.
I don't agree with this mindset, as I see the cream still rising to the top even in this new setup (don't tell me Kevin Harvick, Kyle Busch, Brad Keselowski and other recent champs didn't deserve it), but there are some folks who will never be convinced. This will also hurt Jimmie's long-term rating in the history books.
3. He is perceived as a cheater by many
Due to crew chief Chad Knaus' constant pushing of the technological envelope, and the times he has been busted for it, Jimmie gets tagged with the label of cheater by many. Earnhardt might have knocked some folks out of the way to win some of his 76 races (just ask Terry Labonte, among others), but no one ever called him a cheater.
The reality is all teams push the envelope (if you don't you won't be up front), and they get busted from time to time (remember JGR's dyno controversy? MWR's jet fuel incident?, etc.). But since Jimmie wins so much, the 48 team's alleged cheating is more remembered.

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In the end, I don't think Jimmie really cares what the naysayers think about his career -- all those shiny trophies and the legions of fans who are supportive (not to mention a healthy bank account) will cheer him up just fine.
But in the court of public opinion, even if he wins 10 titles and 50 more races, I doubt most people will ever utter the sentence: "Jimmie Johnson was a better racer than Dale Earnhardt" -- fair or not.

To most fans, Jimmie Johnson will never be better than Dale Earnhardt
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I personally think he is already better than Dale Earnhardt. When it is all said and done I think you could make a very strong case for him as the best NASCAR driver of all time.
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Who knows? Different eras, different cars. I've always been a Johnson hater but the guy is just so good it's almost enjoyable to watch him win. Especially yesterday in that difficult race. I think he will win between 95-100 races and at least one more title.
I happen to like Johnson. It is hard to compare Johnson and Earnhardt because there are many differences in the cars, competition, and even the sport itself. Johnson is certainly as good as Earnhardt and his name belongs in the conversation. You don't get 76 wins without being one of the greatest ever. Who is "better" is subjective, but they certainly share the same air.
I try to not to get too wrapped up in the who's best all time stuff. Of course, to me, Dale was, because he was my favorite. But the argument on who's number 1 can be argued for any of those top guys. There are so many variables from the different eras, it's hard to say. For me, the fact that Jimmie has hit that win column, means he's in the same group as those guys, and that's good company to be in. Jimmie is one of the greats, regardless of whether anyone likes him or not. The cheater thing is a joke. Every guy who's ever been successful in Nascar has played in the gray area. Waltrip talks in his book about the stuff they used to do to get an advantage. It's just part of it. Congrats to Jimmie on hitting that mark, and looking forward to seeing how many more he can pile on.
I try to not to get too wrapped up in the who's best all time stuff. Of course, to me, Dale was, because he was my favorite. But the argument on who's number 1 can be argued for any of those top guys. There are so many variables from the different eras, it's hard to say. For me, the fact that Jimmie has hit that win column, means he's in the same group as those guys, and that's good company to be in. Jimmie is one of the greats, regardless of whether anyone likes him or not. The cheater thing is a joke. Every guy who's ever been successful in Nascar has played in the gray area. Waltrip talks in his book about the stuff they used to do to get an advantage. It's just part of it. Congrats to Jimmie on hitting that mark, and looking forward to seeing how many more he can pile on.
Agreed. The cheating thing is dumb. Auto racing was built on exploiting gray areas in the rule book and Chad Knaus can exploit them better than just about anyone else. It's especially impressive considering how restrictive the rules are these days. He's a bright dude.
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A point made today was that JJ has been in the same equipment since he entered Cup-- and it's great stuff too. Dale didn't always have the best ride. Regardless, it's two different eras and definitely two different (three now) ways to earn the championship. I think the biggest issue is that racing purists don't recognize the Chase championships (especially the new ones) because of all the points resets. It's manufactured drama for the sake of entertainment. If you have four guys running for the championship at Homestead, you'll have higher ratings, which means more revenue. If one guy has clinched the Cup prior to that race, there's less drama and less viewership and a lower bottom line.

It's not all about the fans; it's all about how much money they can make. Matt Kenseth bored everyone to tears in 2003 by running away with the title with one win. Tony Stewart and Carl Edwards thrilled us in 2011 with the tie that Tony won by virtue of the tiebreaker. In the Chase, NASCAR gives drivers points they don't earn, and by doing that, sometimes crowns a champion that would not have otherwise won that championship. Saying that the others (Harvick, Brad K, Kyle Busch, etc. basically anyone from 2004 on) didn't deserve it is basically a true statement-- hell, how can a guy who was 26-27th with 10 races to go even be in contention to win the championship; I still think it's ludicrous that you can clinch a playoff spot one week into the season.

76 wins is a great achievement, and he is a great driver, but I still don't think he should be a 6-time champ. The big question is now is will be pass Gordon in wins?
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I think we've gotten to the point where measuring a driver's ability based on championships is becoming meaningless because of the Chase in its current form. I still think race wins, top 5s and top 10s (raw data, not arbitrary points) is the best way to determine who is best. The title now is a bigger crapshoot than restrictor plate races.
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As an Earnhardt fan, my view is Earnhardt is the better driver cause he could do more with less. Yes, he had some great stuff with RCR, but look before that, Rookie of the Year and a Championship the very next against Waltrip,Petty,Yarborough, Elliott, Allison, the list goes on. There really is no way to compare though cause its different times, different equipment, different points system. I do admit though, Johnson can wheel a car with the best of them.
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Jimmie could win 36 races a year in a BK racing car with Tony Stewarts Pig as his crew chief and there would be fans still not allowing a comparison to Earnhardt... itsjust not something people wanna think about. and its not just Johnson. Gordon got the same thing. im sure earnahrdt got it when compared to Petty back in the day as well. no one wants to think there heroes can be surpassed.
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I find these conversations on "who's best" amusing. That goes for all sports. listened to this same debate about the top five QB's in football on fox sports radio last week. the hosts were all 40 or younger. they all picked the top five from players from 1981 on. neither mentioned terry bradshaw, bart starr, staubach, etc. it was all brady, manning, elway, etc.
point being, people find the "best" in most sports to be the one they grew up watching.
i never felt there is a true way to judge who is or was the best in any sport. as each player or driver, does the best they can with the circumstances they are playing in. the rules they have to deal with. and with that said, how can you judge who's best.
earnhardt and johnson are or were winners in the rules they raced under. and both deserve equal respect for there accomplishments.
but, i personally believe, manning or brady, would have soiled themselves, if they had to have looked over the line of scrimmage and seen jack ham or lambert grinning and scowling, toothless at them.
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I fall into this trap as well but I really hate the comparing of two drivers from two different eras. Baseball does this all the time with Babe Ruth. Babe Ruth was good but he was a superstar and paid like one and he made his living playing against guys who played baseball as a second job. Now a days it's every players sole job to just play a game or drive a race car. Not work in the mill for 8 hours and drove to the park or track.
Jimmie could win 36 races a year in a BK racing car with Tony Stewarts Pig as his crew chief and there would be fans still not allowing a comparison to Earnhardt... itsjust not something people wanna think about. and its not just Johnson. Gordon got the same thing. im sure earnahrdt got it when compared to Petty back in the day as well. no one wants to think there heroes can be surpassed.
You're right about that. I remember when Jeff Gordon hit 76, listening to people boo him on tv. As an Earnhardt fan, I thought it was very cool that he took the time to pay tribute to Dale. It was Jeff's moment, just as yesterday was Jimmie's, but both took the time to show some respect to Dale. It was class on both their parts, and I appreciated what they did. The debate stuff isn't worth having when you get into that club of having that many wins and championships. It's a lot more fun for me enjoying the moment of what these guys accomplish then sitting around booing them and trying to say who is better. Everyone's got their opinions on who's best, I know I do, and that's cool, but some of the fans that get into the negativity of acting like Jimmie or Jeff are assholes because they had the audacity to win more than Dale. Guys don't get to 76 wins and 6 championships because they suck, got lucky, cheated the whole way, or just have better equipment. At some point, people will have to realize that Jimmie Johnson is one of the greatest to wheel a stock car. And they will eventually, just like they did Jeff.
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Could Jimmie Johnson win with a different crew chief?
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Could Jimmie Johnson win with a different crew chief?
A lot of people, including myself, said the same thing about Jeff Gordon back in the late 90's. Then he did. A great driver/crew chief combo is always part of the equation. That's why it's a team effort. But, yes, I think he could. Would there be a learning curve like there was with Jeff? Sure, but he'd adjust.
I think we've gotten to the point where measuring a driver's ability based on championships is becoming meaningless because of the Chase in its current form. I still think race wins, top 5s and top 10s (raw data, not arbitrary points) is the best way to determine who is best. The title now is a bigger crapshoot than restrictor plate races.
Fair point. It is interesting when you look at those stats when you see.

Earnhardt took 671 starts to get 76 wins.
Johnson took 509 starts to get 76 wins.

Johnson sits 73 top 5's and 113 top 10's behind Dale. It'll take Jimmie 167 starts to reach Dales final race total. Can he reach those same stats in top 5's and 10's in that timeframe? Not really sure, but definitely possible if he went on a tear, but not probable imo. They'll be pretty damn close to each other though by Jimmies 678th start.
Could Jimmie Johnson win with a different crew chief?
Crew chiefs matter of course, but i don't think Chad was the one wheeling that car in Atlanta on those worn tires. Jimmie flat out knows how to drive a racecar. People spin it that Chad does everything, but you need a capable guy behind the wheel to utilize what you've done.
Championships used to equate greatness, now they just give merit to the most successful 10-race stretch. Kyle Busch wins his first Chase race in 10 years, and it gives him the championship.

Win totals and statistical averages will end up telling us the most when it's all said and done. Not championships.
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End of the day, I will always feel like the question 'who's better' will always boil down to personal opinion. To me, Dale's the best. That's my personal belief, and it's more than fine for people to disagree with me. The world's just gonna keep on turning either way. At the end of the day, you gotta love what you love, and just try to ignore the stuff you don't.
I'm in Ironhead's camp... he won titles with two different teams. Smoke is second on the is list for the same reason AND... there's no question marks after any of their wins, unlike JJ.
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